Before AMBER: A True Crime Podcast

The Murder of Kathy Hobbs and the story of George Wilhite

Before Amber is researched, written and hosted by Lady Amy. I’m not an investigator or a journalist. I use free public publications and info to research and share these stories. If any info is false or there is a mistake please email us at ⁠⁠beforeamberpod@gmail.com⁠⁠ so we can make sure we double check and correct the information. Our goal is to share stories of the missing and keep their names and memories from being forgotten. Even if the story doesn’t have a big cliffhanger or gripping details they are just as important. Thank  you for your support and listening. Please like, follow or subscribe on your listening platform. If you have a story you want shared, email it to us at ⁠⁠beforeamberpod@gmail.com⁠⁠. 
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Sources:
 
Unsolved Mysteries: Original Robert Stack Episodes, Season 1 Episode 16, ‘Where’s the Witness’ Segment Aired Feb. 15th, 1989 (IMDB)
findagrave.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Lee_Lockhart
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1350&dat=19880626&id=HFFPAAAAIBAJ&sjid=9gIEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6919,7397831
The Chicago Tribune
Newspapers.com
 
 

The Murder of Amber Hagerman the case that started the AMBER Alert

Before Amber is researched, written and hosted by Lady Amy. I’m not an investigator or a journalist. I use free public publications and info to research and share these stories. If any info is false or there is a mistake please email us at ⁠⁠beforeamberpod@gmail.com⁠⁠ so we can make sure we double check and correct the information. Our goal is to share stories of the missing and keep their names and memories from being forgotten. Even if the story doesn’t have a big cliffhanger or gripping details they are just as important. Thank  you for your support and listening. Please like, follow or subscribe on your listening platform. If you have a story you want shared, email it to us at ⁠⁠beforeamberpod@gmail.com⁠⁠. 
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Sources:
Peacocks Documentary Amber: the girl behind the alert
 
https://news.yahoo.com/who-killed-amber-hagerman-murder-case-that-inspired-amber-alerts-unsolved-20-years-later-142605215.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
 
https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/police-release-new-photos-seek-new-info-unsolved-1996-murder-amber-hagerman/DYCH62JDMVCOZFBRS265GCKCJU/
https://www.missingkids.org/blog/2021/still-searching-for-ambers-killer
https://thecrimewire.com/true-crime/9-year-old-Amber-Hagerman-was-murdered-27-years-ago-Are-police-closer-to-catching-her-killer
https://www.truecrimemf.com/home/amber-hagerman
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/1996/jan/21/thousands-attend-funeral-of-slain-child-of-the/

The Death of Joyce Mclain

Joyce McLain left her house of a nice afternoon job but met a tragic ending. This case takes a long road to justice. 
 
Before Amber is researched, written and hosted by Lady Amy. I’m not an investigator or a journalist. I use free public publications and info to research and share these stories. If any info is false or there is a mistake please email us at ⁠⁠beforeamberpod@gmail.com⁠⁠ so we can make sure we double check and correct the information. Our goal is to share stories of the missing and keep their names and memories from being forgotten. Even if the story doesn’t have a big cliffhanger or gripping details they are just as important. Thank  you for your support and listening. Please like, follow or subscribe on your listening platform. If you have a story you want shared, email it to us at ⁠⁠beforeamberpod@gmail.com⁠⁠. 
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Sources for this case:
https://unsolved.com/gallery/joyce-mclain/
 
https://wgme.com/news/local/maine-man-found-guilty-in-1980-slaying-of-joyce-mclain
 People Magazine Investigates
https://www.mainepublic.org/courts-and-crime/2018-02-22/man-found-guilty-of-killing-joyce-mclain-in-1980
https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/supreme-court-upholds-fourniers-conviction-in-1980-murder-of-joyce-mclain/97-2944b372-f27c-439d-ac5f-f111756a5cac
https://www.wabi.tv/content/news/Convicted-killer-of-38-year-old-murder-481108861.html
While the tragedy of Joyce McLain’s murder will never be forgotten, the resolution of her case brought some closure to her family and the community after decades of uncertainty134.
https://www.newscentermaine.com/article/news/local/surprising-development-in-37-year-old-murder-case/97-511268074
https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/video/people-magazine-investigates-investigation-discovery/murder-among-friends
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/119983653/joyce-marie-mclain

The Disappearance of Natasha and Susan Carter

Before Amber is researched, written and hosted by Lady Amy. I’m not an investigator or a journalist. I use free public publications and info to research and share these stories. If any info is false or there is a mistake please email us at ⁠⁠beforeamberpod@gmail.com⁠⁠ so we can make sure we double check and correct the information. Our goal is to share stories of the missing and keep their names and memories from being forgotten. Even if the story doesn’t have a big cliffhanger or gripping details they are just as important. Thank  you for your support and listening. Please like, follow or subscribe on your listening platform. If you have a story you want shared, email it to us at ⁠⁠beforeamberpod@gmail.com⁠⁠. 
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Sources:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/23/us/west-virginia-mother-daughter-cold-case/index.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/susan-carter-alex-carter-missing-remains-found-west-virginia-deathbed-confession-police/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/larry-webb-indicted-murder-charge-girl-natasha-alex-carter-disappeared-2000-west-virginia/
https://www.wsaz.com/2024/04/23/deathbed-confession-man-admits-killing-mother-10-year-old-daughter-solving-24-year-old-cold-case/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/04/24/larrry-webb-confesses-susan-gail-natasha-alex-carter-deaths/73437638007/
https://www.wvnstv.com/news/remains-found-in-over-20-year-old-cold-case-on-same-day-suspect-passes-away/
https://www.wtrf.com/west-virginia/alleged-suspect-dies-the-same-day-officials-believe-they-found-the-remains-of-a-mother-and-daughter-in-a-20-year-old-cold-west-virginia-cold-case/
https://nypost.com/2024/04/24/us-news/larry-webb-confesses-to-2000-cold-case-murder-of-susan-and-natasha-carter/
https://charleyproject.org/case/natasha-alexandra-augusta-carter
https://charleyproject.org/case/susan-gail-carter
https://wvmetronews.com/2021/12/16/fbi-renews-case-of-missing-beckley-girl-21-years-later/
 

The Disappearance and Murder of Jaclyn Dowaliby

Before Amber is researched, written and hosted by Lady Amy. I’m not an investigator or a journalist. I use free public publications and info to research and share these stories. If any info is false or there is a mistake please email us at ⁠⁠beforeamberpod@gmail.com⁠⁠ so we can make sure we double check and correct the information. Our goal is to share stories of the missing and keep their names and memories from being forgotten. Even if the story doesn’t have a big cliffhanger or gripping details they are just as important. Thank  you for your support and listening. Please like, follow or subscribe on your listening platform. If you have a story you want shared, email it to us at ⁠⁠beforeamberpod@gmail.com⁠⁠. 
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Sources:
newspapers.com
https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/Pages/casedetail.aspx?caseid=3873
 
https://abc7chicago.com/jaclyn-dowaliby-doawliby-murder-unsolved-case/1338090/
https://kympasqualini.medium.com/stolen-angel-the-unsolved-murder-of-jaclyn-dowaliby-b1a941097695
 
https://casetext.com/case/people-v-dowaliby
 
https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/crimefeed/murder/who-killed-7-year-old-jaclyn-dowaliby-the-case-remains-open-chilling
https://www.yahoo.com/news/jaclyn-dowaliby-cold-case-reexamined-035142176.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9lbi53aWtpcGVkaWEub3JnLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAMb6R5_-lZLsPvmDWpKrQTZ5to9-SEso_lTKOczreaqdUs7U5JnKx1RgLtG1VPiUdh-7gCY7JS7X2ED0UM2BpKU0mmIgv82gdkPNMbqIE3eCKFua1C6tZ18Fvggtz0fqx6S_eySbLHsRYUFKZKDEMdYLxiYcDOwumvoaV6dnGeI6
 
https://bizarreandgrotesque.com/2015/10/11/the-case-of-jaclyn-dowaliby-an-unreliable-witness-and-a-wrongly-accused-man/
The Dispatch Sept 13, 1988 
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-dispatch-jacklyn-dowaliby-searchers/135325883/
 

Episode 13 Kelly Hollan and Nicole Lynn Bryner

Before Amber is researched, written and hosted by Lady Amy. I’m not an investigator or a journalist. I use free public publications and info to research and share these stories. If any info is false or there is a mistake please email us at ⁠⁠beforeamberpod@gmail.com⁠⁠ so we can make sure we double check and correct the information. Our goal is to share stories of the missing and keep their names and memories from being forgotten. Even if the story doesn’t have a big cliffhanger or gripping details they are just as important. Thank  you for your support and listening. Please like, follow or subscribe on your listening platform. If you have a story you want shared, email it to us at ⁠⁠beforeamberpod@gmail.com⁠⁠. 
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Sources:
 
Kelly Sources:
https://rajexperts.com/the-last-snow-day-what-happened-to-kelly-hollan/?fbclid=IwAR3ISW0Uy9sqyqZsvbGX-Zq8qHxfiQLHCmwOLrkO8mYD2W18chwkUr3Vz-4
https://www.whas11.com/article/news/investigations/beyond-bardstown/unsolved-behind-the-scenes-of-missing-in-the-mountains/417-609783576
 
https://charleyproject.org/case/kelly-junior-hollan
 
https://www.newspapers.com/image/687652778/
 
Lexington Herald-Leader
Lexington, Kentucky · Wednesday, December 22, 1982
 
https://www.newspapers.com/image/531259765/?match=1
 
The Messenger
Madisonville, Kentucky · Monday, December 27, 1982
 
https://www.newspapers.com/image/181555962/?match=1&clipping_id=143442313
 
The Courier-Journal
Louisville, Kentucky · Tuesday, January 19, 2010
 
https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/207dmky.html
Nicole Sources:
 
https://www.newspapers.com/image/89808664/?terms=%22Nicole%20Lynn%20Bryner%22&match=1&clipping_id=139607187
https://charleyproject.org/case/nicole-lynn-bryner
 
https://patch.com/pennsylvania/pittsburgh/stranger-abduction-or-murder-what-happened-nicole-bryner
 

Episode 12 The Beth Miller and Cindy Gastelle Stories

Beth Miller went for a morning run. Cynthia Gastelle went to a job interview. Both girls went missing. 
 
Before Amber is researched, written and hosted by Lady Amy. I’m not an investigator or a journalist. I use free public publications and info to research and share these stories. If any info is false or there is a mistake please email us at ⁠⁠beforeamberpod@gmail.com⁠⁠ so we can make sure we double check and correct the information. Our goal is to share stories of the missing and keep their names and memories from being forgotten. Even if the story doesn’t have a big cliffhanger or gripping details they are just as important. Thank  you for your support and listening. Please like, follow or subscribe on your listening platform. If you have a story you want shared, email it to us at ⁠⁠beforeamberpod@gmail.com⁠⁠. 
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 Sources for these two stories are: 
Beth Miller Sources
Sources:
 
https://www.9news.com/article/news/crime/beth-miller-1983-cold-case/73-da7443bc-186d-4c32-9a36-03622f9e7e32
 
https://www.denverpost.com/2019/08/16/idaho-springs-colorado-cold-case-elizabeth-miller-1983/?clearUserState=true
 
https://www.foxnews.com/us/sister-colorado-girl-who-went-missing-14-became-investigator-already-bungled-case
 
https://int-missing.fandom.com/wiki/Beth_Miller
 
https://charleyproject.org/case/elizabeth-ann-miller
The Daily Sentinel Feb 20 1983 “Trip to Florida for daughter proves a waste”
 
The Daily Sentinel
Grand Junction, Colorado • Sun, Aug 12, 1984 Page 3
 
“Missing teen link to note doubted”
Cynthia Gastelle Sources
 
News and Messenger paper from Woodbridge, VA 
 
Newspapers.com
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/remains-of-cynthia-gastelle-of-takoma-park-identified-32-years-after-her-disappearance/2012/06/13/gJQAz6z1aV_story.html
https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Murder_of_Cynthia_Gastelle
 
https://wjla.com/news/local/cynthia-joan-gastelle-homicide-remains-id-d-as-woman-missing-32-years-76911
 
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/skeletal-remains-missing-girl-bull-run-mountain/1919639/
 
https://wtop.com/news/2012/06/family-pleads-for-help-in-32-year-old-cold-case/

Episode 11: Brian Shaffer

Before Amber is researched, written and hosted by Lady Amy. I’m not an investigator or a journalist. I use free public publications and info to research and share these stories. If any info is false or there is a mistake please email us at ⁠⁠beforeamberpod@gmail.com⁠⁠ so we can make sure we double check and correct the information. Our goal is to share stories of the missing and keep their names and memories from being forgotten. Even if the story doesn’t have a big cliffhanger or gripping details they are just as important. Thank  you for your support and listening. Please like, follow or subscribe on your listening platform. If you have a story you want shared, email it to us at ⁠⁠beforeamberpod@gmail.com⁠⁠. 
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Sources:
 Springfield News-Sun
A decade Later, OSU student still missing by Mike Wagner of The Columbus Dispatch
 
The Times Recorder April 11, 2006
Father Looking for son who went missing April 1 by Amanda Miller Lancaster Eagle-Gazette
 
Newspapers.com
 The Charley Prodgect.org
 NBC News
10TV news
Coffee House Crime YouTube channel “What happened to Brian Schaefer, The man who vanished from a bar”
 Bad Things True Crime YouTube channel Brian Schaefer what most likely happened
Reddit Threads

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Episode 10: Johnny Gosch

Johnny Gosch worked hard as a paperboy back in the early 80s that is until he went on his route one morning and vanished.
P.S. Please ignore my voice this week, I’ve had bad allergies. 
Before Amber is researched, written and hosted by Lady Amy. I’m not an investigator or a journalist. I use free public publications and info to research and share these stories. If any info is false or there is a mistake please email us at ⁠⁠beforeamberpod@gmail.com⁠⁠ so we can make sure we double check and correct the information. Our goal is to share stories of the missing and keep their names and memories from being forgotten. Even if the story doesn’t have a big cliffhanger or gripping details they are just as important. Thank  you for your support and listening. Please like, follow or subscribe on your listening platform. If you have a story you want shared, email it to us at ⁠⁠beforeamberpod@gmail.com⁠⁠. 
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Sources: 
“Who took Johnny” documentary 
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1984/09/03/Two-years-and-still-no-trace-of-Johnny-Gosch/2986463032000/#:~:text=His%20disappearance%20was%20a%20near,but%20Johnny%20still%20is%20missing.
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2023/12/us/johnny-gosch-missing-iowa-boy-cec-cnnphotos/
https://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/09/grace.coldcase.gosch/index.html
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